As coincidence would have it, I received an inquiry from one
of my subscribers that relates to it even before I posted my commentary, so
allow me to share that exchange with you.
The inquiry came from Barbara Valentino Crowley Baptiste
Moreus, of Port St. Lucie, Florida, who asked:
How does one rebut Senator Marco Rubio’s comment that: there isn't much point in
raising taxes on the wealthy because they have the money to hire people who
would help them get out of paying taxes. The billionaires and millionaires that
are going to be impacted by higher rates, they can afford to hire the best
lawyers, lobbyists and accountants in America to figure out how NOT TO PAY
those higher taxes. Obama's approach will fail and therefore the problem of the
huge annual deficit still remains. The President doesn't seem to understand
that he is not going to get the "Bang for the Buck" by taxing the
wealthy.
To which I responded:
“This is true as
long as we have a tax system that has a million loopholes that clever lawyers
can exploit. We really do need to close the many loopholes that are now in the
tax system, e.g. look at my post "Romney is worse than I thought!" and look at the loopholes that Romney exploited.
These need to be closed. Republicans are right that this kind of tax reform
probably would raise more revenue than raising tax rates. But are they really
prepared to eliminate them. I don't think so. The biggest loophole is that
taxes on capital gains are taxed much lower than ordinary income. This needs to
be changed. There is absolutely no reason why income from working should be
taxed higher than income derived from investment. If we believe in the work
ethic then we shouldn't punish people who work and reward those who get passive
income by investing. But Republicans are adamant against this change.
But look at the many other loopholes
that Romney exploited. When he gave assets to charity, he got a deduction for
the value of the assets at the time of the contribution, rather than the price
he paid for them, thus avoiding even the smaller capital gains tax. That is
wrong. He should have to pay the capital gains tax when he gives to charity, as
though he had sold the asset.
Inheritance tax. Aside from being too
low under the Bush tax rates they allow a decedent to escape capital gains
taxes altogether, since the law now says that assets of a deceased are exempt
even from the very low capital gains taxes.
I can go on and on. Yes, Republicans
are right that there is more money there than in increased tax rates, but they
are phony when they suggest that they really favor tax reform. They will not
support any of these reforms.
Extending the Bush tax cuts on the
wealthy on the basis that at some time in the future we will have real tax
reform is offering a bird in the bush. (No pun intended.) They will never let
it happen. But if they have specific ideas along this line, I would like to
hear them, and so would the President.
However Rubio is right about how much
simply extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy will bring.
To make a real dent in the deficit we
would have to extend The Bush tax cuts for all, as Allan Greenspan has been
advocating. If none of the Bush tax cuts were extended the deficit would be
reduced by approximately $3 trillion over a decade, but extending them, in
accordance with Obama's plan, only for those making more than $250,000 per
couple, $200,000 for singles, would increase revenue by only 3/4 of a trillion
over ten years, not nearly enough. But politically Obama can't be for extending
all because he has made a pledge not to do so, and at this point in the
recovery, it is not desirable. After we have recovered it would make sense.
See here.
The amount that Obama is seeking in
additional revenues is 1.6 trillion. See here. The 3/4 trillion achieved by the proposed
elimination of the cuts is less than half of what we need in additional
revenues. So not extending the Bush cuts for the wealthy gets us less than
halfway there. Additional revenue beyond that must be found. The article, which
I referenced in US News, is not realistic as to other sources.
This addresses the point made by Rubio.
The other points generally made are
that taxing the rich will hurt job creation because it hits small businesses.
This is not true. Small businesses and the wealthy are not the same. Please
read the article which you can find here.
Finally the argument that taxing
business at all will hurt job creation is also nonsense. There is a super
abundance of cash in businesses, large and small, that is not being invested.
Having more is not going to make a difference. There is only one reason
businesses are not hiring, and that is that they have no need for additional
employees because there is a lack of consumer demand. When consumer demand
picks up, they will start hiring. It is well established that 70% of the
economy comes from the consumer. That is why putting money into the hands of
people who will spend it on consumer goods is by far the most effective way to
move the economy. The stimulus worked, despite all the denials. Look at the
figures. Before the stimulus, jobs were being lost at a rapid clip. Right after
job losses declined rapidly, and then jobs started being created at an ever
faster clip. It is true that the stimulus was too small and did not last long
enough, but that is not Obama's fault. The size of the stimulus was the best
that could be gotten out of Congress.
Republicans are right that the best way
to deal with the deficit is by growing the economy, but wrong about the way to
grow the economy. The economy grows from the bottom up, not from the top down,
i.e. consumers drive the economy, not supply side economics. Compare the economy
under Bush I lower taxes, Clinton's higher taxes, and with Bush's II lower
taxes.
Joel Wiener of Boca Ratan Florida, had
this observation:
I found Krugman's earlier column (November 8th -
Let's Not Make a Deal) on the Fiscal Cliff interesting, especially his
conclusion:
“Meanwhile, the president is in a far stronger
position than in previous confrontations. I don’t place much stock in talk of
‘mandates,’ but Mr. Obama did win re-election with a populist campaign, so he
can plausibly claim that Republicans are defying the will of the American
people. And he just won his big election and is, therefore, far better placed
than before to weather any political blowback from economic troubles —
especially when it would be so obvious that these troubles were being
deliberately inflicted by the G.O.P. in a last-ditch attempt to defend the
privileges of the 1 percent."
"Most of all, standing up to hostage taking is the
right thing to do for the health of America’s political system. So stand your
ground, Mr. President, and don’t give in to threats. No deal is better than a
bad deal.”
I just don't think the Obama has the nerve to see
what happens. I recall that in the third debate, when asked about the Fiscal
Cliff, he said: "It will not happen." That was before the election, however.
To which I replied:
In a sense this is like the confrontation with the Russians
in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Don't act too tough; don't overplay your hand, but
be tough and offer the other side some kind of concession.
The military wanted Kennedy to immediately order the
invasion of Cuba. Kennedy said NO! That would definitely lead to war. But he
ordered a blockade. He then contacted Kruschev and said take your missiles out
of Cuba and we will take ours out of Turkey.
That’s what we need here. Tough and a signal that we are
willing to face disaster (falling off the cliff if we have to) but not so tough
as not to offer concessions and to make a deal unlikely.
No deal may be better than a bad deal, but what is the
definition of a bad deal. Is a bad deal any that makes painful concessions?
I trust Obama's judgment. This is where Krugman and I part.
He does not.
And Rick Pereira of North Adams, Massachusetts chimed in with:
I totally agree with you that gerrymandering continues to
be, if not the primary, then at least the fundamental, cause of our perceived
political instability. It may well be part of why we have effectively only two
parties. In my belief, it will take one or more states to take action against
gerrymandering as a political message against it and to raise public awareness
of it. I have long complained of the lack of the words
"accountability" and "transparency" in politics (national
as well as state) and although I'm encouraged by Cuomo's efforts, I've been
very disappointed in New York's lack of transparency in its election
laws. Furthermore: if there is any contingent of citizens
concerned enough about this issue, one strategy may be to promote enlarging of
political districts in the name of saving money, because technology is now
easily able to handle larger districts. This should obviate gerrymandering on a
zipcode-by-zipcode basis.
To which I responded:
We need to revise the Constitution as difficult as that may
be. We are spending too much time on elections, so that as soon as one election
is finished, fund raising begins for the next. I would suggest that both
members of the House and the Senate should be elected every four years to
coincide with Presidential elections and that state elections for Governor and
state legislatures be held at the same time. One election every four years is
more than enough and the Presidential election brings out more people voting,
so the results are more democratic.
An override of United needs to go with it, saying
specifically that the Congress shall have the power to regulate the manner of
raising and spending money in elections and the extent to which the government
shall finance it. Fewer members of Congress and larger districts are
desirable.
Then Congress needs to legislate how Districts are to be
drawn, setting forth the criteria, e.g. contiguous, no more population
variation than 5%, geometrically concise such as a square, etc. and that these
criteria are to be fed into a computer by the US Census Bureau. That may not be
perfect, but I can't think of a better way. The type of voting machine to be
used and how many voting machines per registered voter also needs to be mandated.
As for state elections, the above will improve these, but
under our federal system, anything beyond this will have to be a state matter,
though I would like to see a mandate that judges must be appointed by the
governor and not be elected.
And finally I had an extensive exchange with Roger Streit of
West Orange, NJ who opined:
I do agree with
Paul Krugman’s argument as set forth in his November 11
column “Contrary to the way it’s often portrayed, the
looming prospect of spending cuts and tax increases isn’t a fiscal crisis. It
is, instead, a political crisis brought on by the G.O.P.’s attempt to take the
economy hostage.”
Why do you “take
it from this that Krugman would be perfectly happy for taxes not to go up, even
on the very rich, as the President wants, because … he doesn’t specifically say
so”?
From previous
columns, it is very clear that he is in favor of raising taxes on the
rich. He doesn’t have to make that point in every column. He was
debunking the right’s supposed concerns of reducing the deficit. He identified
the hypocrisy and also pointed out that they have been consistently wrong in
their prescriptions and predictions.
In short, you have
to read Krugman on a consistent basis in order to appreciate his columns. I
suggest that you read his blog as well as his columns before you criticize
him. IMO, he has been right much more often than not. See also here.
To which I
replied:
It is both a
fiscal crisis and a political crisis. As I pointed out in numerous posts, the
deficit is a phony issue when Republicans raise it, because they are totally
insincere. Ryan's budget doesn't even attempt to close the budget gap. All it
does is to destroy the safety net and all kinds of other governmental functions
and cuts taxes on the higher incomes.
But that doesn't
mean that the looming deficit, which is a Bush creation, having inherited
Clinton's balanced budgets and surpluses as far as the eye could see, isn't
real. The Supreme Court's denial of the election to Gore was one of the
greatest tragedies in American history.
It is real. Not
immediately. But down the road, but we can't wait till it is an immediate
problem. That is too late. We need to put a long-range plan in place now. The
President has been trying to do that for quite a long time with his proposals
of tax increases and cuts, but the G.O.P. has been adamant for no revenue
increases. That has changed. Now it is only how much and how. But cuts must be
and will be part of the equation.
Yes, Krugman wants
taxes to go up, but he undermines the need for this when he argues that the
deficit is irrelevant. If it is irrelevant, then we can just meet the nations
needs without tax increases and let the deficit keep going up.
Krugman is simply
sloppy in writing his column and columns. Look back on my blog where I have time and again criticized him for undermining our President. He
has no sense of political realities, and he is too often more of a polemicist
than a thoughtful economist. I hope he does a better job in teaching his
economics classes.
And then added:
Roger, let me add
that I agree with much of what Krugman says. Erskine Bowles would be a terrible
choice for Treasury Secretary, but I am not aware that he is being considered.
When he says, "the deficit-scold movement was never really about the
deficit. Instead, it was about using deficit fears to shred the social safety
net," I agree with him, and I have been saying that all along. But when he says
they "don’t even deserve a seat at the table." that is downright
silly. The President can't deal with the "fiscal cliff without dealing
with 'deficit scolds' in Congress!! To say they shouldn't have a seat at the
table is ludicrous. Just because he rightly advocates
for ‘Keynesian economics’ as I do, doesn't give him a license to say
silly things.
To which Roger
replied:
I agree with you
that you have to negotiate with the crazies, but you don’t have to give their
arguments any credence. President Obama has given much too much weight on
deficit reduction and has not focused enough on reducing unemployment. As
Krugman has pointed out, the U.S. can borrow money for free and we have massive
unemployment. Why not focus on putting these people to work?
And my rejoinder
was:
That is an old but dangerous argument.
Our debt has to constantly be refinanced. Three years from now interest rates
may suddenly go up sharply, and will if the debt is large and growing. Then we
are suddenly faced with a major crisis. We cannot just focus on now. We must
also look to the future.
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