Monday, November 09, 2009

Obama Walks on Water

Many thought Obama walked on water as in November of 2008 he swept to an election victory by the greatest margin in the popular vote in twenty years, gaining his victory by a margin of 53.41% compared to George H.W. Bush's victory of the hapless Michael Dukakis by 53.9%, though Obama brought out a far larger total vote, gaining almost 57 million votes compared to Bush’s just short of 49 million. 

His resounding triumph was not entirely due to his charisma or his political appeal, for he ran at a time when the incumbent President and his Republican majority in the Congress had brought the country to the brink of a repeat of the great depression of ’29, where the unemployment rate had gone from 2.5% in 1926 to 35.5% in 1933, when Roosevelt took office. When Roosevelt finally took measures to stem the downturn it took four years to bring the unemployment rate down to just over 20%. See my post from March 12, 2009 and the graph displayed.

Now let us imagine what would have happened if like in the period preceding and following the market crash of ’29 the same policies had been followed as they had in the ‘20s. It is not inconceivable that similar disastrous unemployment would have resulted. Fortunately, it was recognized even by the incumbent President Bush that we were having a banking crisis, which in many ways resembled that of the 20’s, and Bush, who had always preached laissez faire capitalism, took vigorous steps to stem the looming disaster despite his own party in the Congress deserting him. At the same time the long time Chairman of the Fed, Allan Greenspan, long an apostle against regulation, said with disarming frankness “ I was partially wrong" and "I have found a flaw,” but the members of The Republican Congress who correctly have a reputation for “ having never forgotten anything” and “having never learned anything” show that they have learned nothing.

Last week the unemployment rate hit 10.2% and the public has discovered that Obama does not walk on water and has no magic wand. He is being hit with a populism from both left and right that denounces him for helping the banks instead of main street, ignoring the fact that the first thing Roosevelt dealt with was also the banking crisis, with his bank holiday and then guaranteeing deposits. Unfortunately, unlike in Roosevelt’s time when banks were many and small, we now have the behemoths that are “too big to fail.” But of course he is helping main street when he helps the banks, and his stimulus program directly aids main street, its principle weakness having been that it did not allocate enough money to the states to help them out of the crisis, forcing them to either raise taxes or cut back on programs desperately needed in this recession. 50 billion dollars was cut from the stimulus program to aid the states to get the three Republican votes needed to stop the Republican filibuster.

Both Left and Right denounce Obama for not having stopped unemployment from rising as though there were a magic wand that would turn things around by the mere waving of it. As Obama has pointed out the Ship of State does not turn like a motor boat and measures taken nine month ago, which is when the stimulus bill was passed, can not be expected to already affect the unemployment rate, since as all economists tell us that the employment always lags in an improving economy. While for the moment it is little comfort to those unemployed (of course those unemployed take little comfort even when unemployment is low) the economy has now turned around and Reuters, among others, reports, “Productivity surge signals Job Growth to follow. But the agitation about the high unemployment rate is difficult to understand in any case, for the unemployment rate under the Republican hero, Ronald Reagan, was even higher, and I don’t remember the hand wringing then, nor is there much emphasis in our media (Liberal media?) that Reagan presided over a slightly higher unemployment rate, with the unemployment rate then having reached 9.7% more than a year after he was inaugurated, as compared to Obama in office a mere nine month. See the graph and comments on Mark J. Perry's web site.

But as I said he is being attacked from both Left and Right with, e.g. David Brooks in the New York Times of November 6, writing he is doing too much and Paul Krugman writing he is doing too little. It may be that what he is doing is just right, though I would like to see the $50 billion cut from aid to the states restored.

But Obama is also being hit with complaints from the Left that his promises during the campaign are not being fulfilled fast enough, which ignores that our system of government is not designed for fast action with its checks and balances (See Anna Quindlen in Newsweek of November 2) and the non-constitutional requirement of 60 votes in the Senate, a Clinton era Republican invention. But the extent of the obstacles facing Obama are misunderstood and understated even by the above referenced article of which, e.g. incorrectly states with respect to the military policy dubbed, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Transformation is within his grasp, in a pen, a signature, an executive order” which is patently untrue, for it is enshrined in a statute of the Congress which was passed on November 30 1993 in response to President Clinton’s attempting to abolish discrimination against Gays in the Armed Forces by executive order.

As for Obama’s paucity of accomplishments in his first nine months, that too is an invention, or at least a misconception, that I will address hereafter.

   As for understanding why the voters turned to Republicans in New Jersey and Virginia in the the last election, thus turning to the very people responsible for the present crisis, I leave that to the pundits.

   I can analyze issues. I do not pretend to understand voters.

28 comments:

Donald Goldrich, Deerfield Beach, Florida said...

I do not wish to comment on the article other than the last paragraph which purports to place the blame for the economic problems solely, only and entirely on the Republicans.
I understand that you are a staunch Democrat, but do you truly believe that not ONE Democratic elected official played any part in the process of the economic problems, which has taken several years to develop, to place us where we are today?
Frankly, if that is your belief, then I cannot give any credibility to any of your positions other than your carrying long term anger against Republicans and are a cheerleader for Democrats.
You may want to re-think your position or do research where partisanship is not a factor so that your points can be well taken.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

In answer to Mr. Goldrich's question, "do I truly believe that not ONE Democratic elected official played any part in the process of the economic problems" the answer is of course not." There were many Democrats who must share responsibility, including President Bill Clinton when he signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, along with many Democrats who voted for the repeal.
But it was the Republican Party, which drove the deregulation mantra, having been the party of big business and against consumers since the 1877 compromise, to which I referred in my article entitled: John Corzine for Governor of New Jersey. which can be accessed on this blog. But just as in 1929 the Republican philosophical positions drove the madness. To the extent that Democrats went along, they were under political pressure from the atmosphere that was created by the Republicans. That atmosphere already existed under Carter when he deregulated the airline industry.
I am sure that in the years leading up to the crash of '29 many Democrats voted for Republican initiatives that led to the Depression, but that does not put the blame on the Democratic Party as a Party, any more than it absolves the Republican Party.
Even now we have Democrats voting with Republicans to block needed reforms, but they are a minority in the Democratic Party. The opposition to reforms is a solid phalanx in the Republican.
I plead guilty to having long term anger against Republicans and being a cheerleader for Democrats, but that is based on their respective positions as Parties and the fact that there may be faults in individual Democrats, and even within the official positions of the Democratic Party from time to time, does not change the fundamental difference within the parties, at least in so far as concerns the issues I care about.
It is on the issues that frankly I abhor the Republican Party. The Democrats may not be faultless but in a real world we do not have the luxury of being only for the perfect. We do not have the luxury of allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
If the Republicans had been in the majority when it became apparent that the economy was in free-fall there would have been no bank bailout and no stimulus package, and we would have been on the way to another '29 depression.
I hope this answer satisfies Mr Goldrich. I would welcome further comments from him.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

Having received no further comment form Mr. Goldrich and noting a relevant comment which I posted in April of 2005 under: https://www.blogger.co/comment.g?blogID=23465977&postID=1425703215965687329&pli=1 
I quoted it as follows: "I was also rather taken aback by a telephone conversation I had with an old law school friend in Florida who told me that even though he doesn't comment on my analysis, he agrees with it, but then went on to say that what the Democrats need to do is run someone from the South or someone who could not be attacked as being liberal. My friend either has not been reading my fulminations or has failed to understand them. It is my view that this is exactly what Democrats must not do, and I thought that I had made that clear. First it must be noted that Kerry was never attacked as being a liberal. He was attacked for being wishy-washy and the charge was true. Unfortunately it is equally true of the Democratic Party. The Democratic party will not win until it once again stands for something. 
The Democratic Party must learn from the Republican Party which during the Gingrich years led Congressional victories in 1992 presented itself as the party of reform. Of course once they were in power they forgot their reforms and have weathered the storms that led to the resignations, first of Gingrich, then of Trent Lott and are now embarrassed by the corruption and excesses of Tom Delay. But Democrats or the media have not yet made the point that must be made. 
The Republican Party does not have an occasional individual who is corrupt, racist and power hungry. It is the Republican party that is corrupt, racist and power hungry. In this respect they are like the old Communist party for like the old Communist party, the Republican party believes that the end justifies the means; they follow the party line through all its tortuous twist and turns and have absolute discipline. A Republican who steps out of line is stripped of his committee posts and is challenged in the next primary from the Right. When was the last time the Democrats did anything like that. Democrats that don't fight for Democratic principles should be challenged in primaries, not given leadership positions. 
I was appalled to find how many Democrats voted with the Republicans on both the Bankruptcy and the Class Action bills.
Here are the tallies in the Senate.
On the Class Action Bill not a single Republican voted against.
Here are the Democrats who voted for it.
Bayh (D-IN) Bingaman (D-NM)   Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE)     Conrad (D-ND)    Dodd (D-CT)
Feinstein (D-CA) Jeffords (I-VT)   Johnson (D-SD) Kohl (D-WI)       Landrieu (D-LA)  Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)   Nelson (D-NE)     Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI)       Rockefeller(D-WV)Salazar (D-Co
Schumer (D-NY)
Yes, Feinstein of California and Schumer of New York voted for it. In all 19 Democrats voted for it. That is almost half the Democrats. If you live in New York write to Senator Schumer and let him know how you feel about it.
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Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

On the Bankruptcy Bill not a single Republican voted against it.
Here are the Democrats who voted for it.
Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Byrd (D-WV) Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
In all 19 Democrats voted for it. Schumer voted against it, but Senator Clinton did not vote. You in New York might want to write to her and ask her why?
Until the Democratic Party becomes united and presents a coherent program they will remain a minority party. Those who agree with me need to let your Senators and Representatives know that.
But what does the Republican Party stand for. I will have some very strong words in my next commentary about them.
I added that if the Republicans had been in the majority when it became apparent that the economy was in free-fall there would have been no bank bailout and no stimulus package, and we would have been on the way to another '29 depression.

Nancy Boyman of Boca Raton, Florida said...

There is plenty of blame to be shared between our political leadership - both Democratic & Republican. 
Barney Frank & his helpmate, Chris Dodd contributed to the economic downfall we are now experiencing because of their allegiance to Fannie Mae & Freddy Mac, rather than keeping the US solvent.  They didn't do this alone.
There were many in Congress who ignored the signs, but they don't care - because we, the taxpayers, make up the financial 
shortfalls for them silently. We only holler at each other. They (the politicians, their  usual constituencies, & the media)  
set it up that way, & by being strictly partisan,  we  are unwitting "helpers" for those lazy crooks in Congress.
Find an honest, intelligent politician who is not lining his own pockets & that of his family & friends, and please pass on 
his/her name.
Why was AIG saved?  I heard this question asked on MSNBC the other day. Could it be that our elected Congressmen/women & Senators have their pensions with AIG? This too, is bipartisan action, and the Republicans & Democrats share their concern for the well-being of AIG.  Rather than serve the United States, they are are self-enriching.
Before we continue screaming at each other, we should focus on our political leadership, which is usually abysmal and self-serving.  
America and Americans deserve better than this. Help bring the partisanship down several octaves with your blog.  
We are NOT helping to save our country - as we know it - for our children and grandchildren by blindly seeing only one side &  
blaming the other side for all the evils & lack of success in our nation. We have to reach consensus on all the great issues or it won't 
be successful. Truth is not to be found on one side alone. There are 3 sides to EVERY story - his, hers & the real story.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

Thank you for letting me have your views, but I believe you have the situation exactly backwards.
Despite the cynicism you display, which is widely shared by the public, most people in public life are there because they want to serve the nation and that is true of both Democrats and Republicans. Of course there is corruption in public life and we are justly outraged by it, but for every public servant who takes a bribe there is an executive in private industry who offers it. There is far more corruption in the private sector than in the public, with deadly results, whether it is tobacco barons peddling their addicting and cancer causing wares and lying to Congressional investigators, or pollution causing industries who spew air pollutants into our air that cause asthma or cancer, or the banks charging usurious rates and fees inflicted upon an unwary public, or the pharmaceutical industry promoting untested off-label drugs to doctors in violation of the law. 
Without government oversight and regulations and their enforcement, the public would be totally submerged to the insatiable desire for more and more profit, no matter what the effect may be on the general public.
The constant harping on Fannie and Freddie Mac is a diversion from the real culprits.
Why was AIG saved? It most certainly wasn't because our elected Congressmen/women & Senators have their pensions with AIG. That is a paranoid view of things and has no basis in fact. It is strange that on the one hand the Government is criticized for bailing out AIG, but also Citi and the banking industry in general, and then criticized for not bailing out Lehman Bros.
It would be nice if we  had bipartisanship. G-d knows Obama tried. He put many tax cuts of questionable value into the stimulus bill but nothing could get Republicans on board. They wanted a collapse of the economy so they could blame Obama. That is the outrageous truth.
The old saying "it takes two to tango" applies. Republicans, whether for purely partisan reasons, or  because they are always trying to prove that government doesn't work, try to sabotage a Democratic government from being effective and misgovern when they are in power.
The problem is not corruption, but the power of money in our political process. The entrenched forces will spend whatever it takes to protect their vested interests. 
But the Republicans are more in their thrall then Democrats. That is why (as I pointed in my response to Donald Goldrich) when two bills came up during the Administration of Bush, that were directed against consumers, almost half the Democrats, but all of the Republicans voted for it. That was bipartisanship, but of the worse kind. In this context it is naive and self defeating to pretend that there is no difference between the parties, just as it foolish to pretend that Democrats are always pure as the driven snow. But we must choose, and even if sometimes it is the lesser of two evils, we must recognize that Democrats are more likely to be concerned with the public weal then Republicans, who over the years have shown again and again their propensity to lie and their devotion to a laissez-faire philosophy that does not protect the public from the avaricious and powerful entrenched forces.

Albert Nekimken of Vienna, Virginia said...

Bravo to you. Your replies were very well written and your defense superb.

Irving Lesnick of Boca Raton, Florida said...

It strikes me that the real culprit in the Freddy/Fanny situation was the theory that private enterprise can do anything better than the government.  
These entities were doing a creditable job of promoting home ownership and whatever else they were supposed to do, but because government is bad and private enterprise is good, they were converted to private corporations.  Once they were converted, they had to constantly grow in order to provide a reason for their stock to go up and their chief executives to get bigger and bigger compensation packages. Would they have taken the risks they did, and exerted the pressures on Congress they did, if they were headed by people getting civil service salaries.
On the same general subject, did you see the story, I think it was in the times, about what the heads of major hospitals -- mostly so called non-profits -- in and around NYC get.  They were all in excess of $1 million, except for the head of the NYC Municipal Hospital System, who gets, as I recall, something like $100,000 - $200,000. And, if I recall, the story was part of, or at least at the same time as, a story about 
the New York State Senator who is on trial for taking bribes from one of the hospitals which paid its CEO over $1,000,000, to get more state 
funding for the hospital. Is there a connection between the need to grow and the compensation levels?  I think so.

Nancy Boyman of Boca Raton, Florida said...

You obviously are unable to find fault with the party of your birth. I can find plenty of fault with the Democrats.  
The rush to affirmative action greatly harmed Jewish people who worked for the government, and gave the jobs they EARNED to those much 
less qualified.
And then there is FDR. That momzer refused to allow the ship the St. Louis to dock, although he knew fully well the passengers plight.  
Hitler gleefully noted this, & said no one wanted the Jews or would protect them, and he made plans for the Final Solution. Also, every troop & materials ship sent to Europe returned fully loaded with enemy POWs, only ONE had Jews on it. Don't argue with me because I am an expert in the rise of Hitler.
Moreover, I do not know what makes you an expert in American Government.  What are your educational accomplishments in this area?  
It should be noted by you both that Malcolm Hoenline, the Executive Director & the President of the Conference of Major Jewish Organizations have both had a major reappraisal of Obama's administration. And they are not alone.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

As far as the St. Louis is concerned I used to think the same as Nancy, until I read the book "The Voyage of the Damned" about the St. Louis and found out that the immigration law in force at the time passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a Republican President made it impossible for Roosevelt to admit them. He, in fact, had asked Congress to change the law but to no avail.
As for my qualification I have a BA in government and political science and a Doctor of Juris in Law. Since retiring 20 years ago I have spent much of my time studying American history.

Mary of Florida said...

In short, I do NOT feel that the public points a finger nor singles out a particular PARTY, whether Democrat or Republican for all of the issues on hand that have weakened the economy, health care, immigration laws, social security or any other category. These matters have been well known to our government for decades, spending, spending, spending and raping social security.
While your articles are of interest how many people are out of work NOW? The numbers are devastating and staggering which  lends to NO monies being added to social security which only  adds to the poverty in the upcoming years.  NO, it cannot be put on the shoulders of individuals to "SAVE" as most of the population do not earn enough money to invest in the stock market or life savings.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TO "WAKE UP and think for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and NOT every other country that we have supported with hard earned dollars of the "AMERICAN" people.  NOW is the time to "THINK" of our recovery and growth!!!!!!
Strikes against "OBAMA" occur because our PRESIDENT is spending TOO MUCH and now striking at "senior citizens" who worked HARD, did without for MANY years to insure a financial stability in their retirement years. WHAT an ATROCITY it is to TAX THEM AGAIN! 
I once wrote you and said, "I am not a journalist" just one of the hard working Americans trying to stay above it all. My best wishes and prayers for EVERYONE, that all issues are resolved and the government will subsidize and BRING BACK INDUSTRY TO THIS COUNTRY, give incentives for a better education and HANDS ON training in the industry.
It goes on and on, so I sign off with respect only that OBAMA is our PRESIDENT and have to accept all the policies. WILL HE BE RE 
ELECTED for his GREAT ORATIONS???
WE WILL SEE!
LET"S ALL GET REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

Mary of Florida seems to have a number of misconceptions.
No one has raped Social Security. Social Security remains sound and with a little tweaking, such as increasing the retirement age by a year or two, and/or raising the limits on the payroll tax so the rich contribute a miniscule greater amount, will make it solvent into the 22nd century.
She talks about 'spending, spending, etc. but what are we spending for. To create jobs, to advance education, to give better health care.
She favors these things and should be glad that money is being spent for good causes.
The unemployment is bad but it was the result of policies of not regulating anything, but particularly the banks. It takes time to turn an economy around. All that can be done is being done. As I said no one has a magic wand.
She shouldn't believe what she hears about striking at senior citizens. These are lies. The AARP would not be supporting the Health Reform if it were not good for senior citizens, nor is there any plan to tax the elderly.
She is being fed a lot of lies and she believes them.
As for supporting other countries, I want all to know that USA’s aid, in terms of percentage of its Gross National Product has almost always been lower than any other industrialized nation in the world. See:
http://www.globalissues.org/article/35/us-and-foreign-aid-assistance#SomedonatemanydollarsbutarelowonGNIpercent 
and while many Americans are under the completely erroneous impression that the U.S. devotes as much as 20 percent of its annual budget to 
foreign aid, the reality is that succeeding presidential administrations have historically committed about 1 percent of their budgets to aid. In 2003, U.S. foreign aid came to just .14 percent (that is about 1/8 of 1%) of the country's GDP. See: http://salt.claretianpubs.org/stats/2005/01/sh0501a.html
I don't think Mary is really and truly reading what I write, because I try to rebut the misconceptions and lies that circulate and she go on believing 
them.

Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

As an early supporter of Obama for President, I believe Emil's rebuke to those of us who have expressed our dismay at what appears to be a gap between Obama’s inspirational rhetoric and his actual performance – is ill founded.  he is quite right that it is much too early in his Presidency to make a definitive judgment. I have high hopes that Obama will ultimately turn out to be one of our great Presidents. But to help him reach that goal, his liberal critics (America’s untouchables) need to keep holding him accountable for his lofty promises. There is certainly good cause for questioning his tactics – if not his intentions. Given his tendency to compromise with those who wish him ill or want to see his programs fail, this is a needed (and I would argue – helpful) counterbalance.
For instance Emil's assertion that a 1993 statute legally prevents Obama from fulfilling his campaign promise to promptly dispense with "Don’t ask don’t tell" is clearly wrong --and a rather lame excuse, as evident from the following well documented excerpt from Wikipedia:
During his presidential campaign, then-Senator Barack Obama advocated repeal of the policy to allow gay and lesbian people to serve openly in the armed forces, agreeing with General Shalikashvili and stating that the U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops expelled from the military, including language experts fluent in Arabic.[32][33]
19 days after his election, Obama's advisers announced that plans to repeal the policy may be delayed until as late as 2010, because Obama "first wants to confer with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and his new political appointees at the Pentagon to reach a consensus, and then present legislation to Congress."[34]
Obama's current position is that Congress has exclusive authority to lift the ban.[citation needed] However, in May 2009, a committee of military law experts at the University of California at Santa Barbara[35] concluded that it is within the authority of the executive branch to discontinue the policy.[36]
In July 2009, the White House and other Democrats allegedly pressured Florida Rep. Alcee Hastings to withdraw an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 2647) that would have prevented the military from using money to carry out the provisions of DADT.[37]
In a major departure from his campaign promises, Obama's administration is defending the policy in court.[38][39] Regarding the first reference, the government had argued before the Federal Appeals Court in San Francisco that the policy should have a blanket application, therefore negating a requirement for an expulsion review based on merit.
Obama administration lawyers let pass the May 3, 2009 deadline to appeal, and the case reverted to the district court.[40] In court documents, government lawyers agreed with the ruling of the Federal Appeals Court in Boston that DADT is "rationally related to the government's legitimate interest in military discipline and cohesion." An appeal of this case, Pietrangelo v. Gates 08-824, was subsequently rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court.[41][28]
On the eve of the National Equality March in Washington, D.C., October 10, 2009, Barack Obama stated in a speech before the Human Rights Campaign that he will end the policy, but offered no timetable.[42][43]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_ask,_don%27t_tell
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Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

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Health Care
A willingness to compromise with opponents -- and to some degree with core values -- can be a commendable as well as necessary trait for governing in a democracy. But I and other early Obama supporters are wondering whether or not our beloved President may not be demonstrating an overabundance of this ordinarily laudable trait. Did he really need to concede the public option at such an early stage in the health care reform debate? As the Kenny Rogers song goes, ” You gotta know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em;” By now it should be evident that the Republican opposition has interpreted his conciliatory gestures as a sign of weakness and has vowed to filibuster even the most watered-down version of health-care reform.
And what was the value of Obama’s magnanimous gesture on behalf of renegade Democrat Senator Joe Lieberman who had worked so hard against the possibility of an Obama Presidency? Obama persuaded a reluctant Democratic Caucus to allow Lieberman to retain his chairmanship of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. Lieberman’s belated thank-you was a threat to support a filibuster of any health care bill that contains a public option (although a poll indicates a majority of voters in his own state favor such an option) and a threat to support Congressional Republicans in next year’s mid-term elections. So much for turning the other cheek! http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/10/joe-lieberman-says-he-will-support-some.html
Obama’s memory of the Clintons’ failure in ramming health-care reform through Congress is an understandable explanation for Obama’s hands off, all-nice-guy (and I believe mistaken) approach. Lyndon Johnson was most effective in getting what he wanted with well-timed combinations of accommodation and arm-twisting. Yet Obama has (or at least had) a reserve of political capitol well beyond that of Lyndon Johnson. This includes a high personal approval rating, a solid if not quite filibuster-proof majority in both houses of Congress and, according to polls, a voter population hungry for health care reform with a majority favoring a public option. Even the influential AARP supports a public option. And despite the opposition of the AMA, it appears that a majority of doctors do as well. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/14/majority-of-doctors-back_n_286352.html http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
Thus one cannot help but wonder whether this brilliant and exceptionally articulate man who inspired an army of young idealists to labor so hard for his election so that he could begin era of economic and social justice, is spending his political capitol wisely. Even Obama’s former campaign advisers have begun to publicly express their dismay at the noticeable change from the strategy he promised during his campaign and his loss in passion for meaningful reform. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html
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Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

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Even more troubling are reports that raise questions about Obama’s integrity as well as his tactics – as evident from this excerpt from the Bill Moyers Journal telecast August 28 telecast.
BILL MOYERS ….And remember that television ad Barack Obama made as a candidate for president?

BARACK OBAMA: The pharmaceutical industry wrote into the prescription drug plan that Medicare could not negotiate with drug companies. And you know what, the chairman of the committee who pushed the law through went to work for the pharmaceutical industry making $2 million a year. Imagine that. That's an example of the same old game-playing in Washington. I don't want to learn how to play the game better. I want to put an end to the game-playing. 

BILL MOYERS: Now look at this recent story in the LOS ANGELES TIMES. Lo and behold, since the election, the pharmaceutical industry's $2 million dollars a year superstar lobbyist Billy Tauzin has morphed into President Obama's pal. Tauzin says the President has promised not to pressure the drug companies to negotiate with the government for lower drug prices and has agreed not to allow cheaper drugs to be imported from Canada or Europe - contrary to the position taken by candidate Obama…
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08282009/transcript1.html. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html
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Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

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JUSTICE DELAYED AND JUSTICE DENIED!
I am almost embarrassed to admit that I favored the impeachment Bill Clinton – not because of his sexual behavior – but because, I thought, his lying under oath was a violation of the Presidential oath of office to uphold the Constitution.  Yet how trivial this now seems compared to the horrendous acts of his successor and the former vice president.  Why is deliberate disclosure of the identity of a clandestine CIA agent working to thwart terrorism any less than an act of treason? During wartime, a soldier who commits such an act can be shot. And did not George Bush continually stress that we in a war against terrorism? This treacherous act was intended as a clear message to undercover agent Valerie Plame’s husband, Joseph Wilson. It was meant as revenge for Wilson’s disclosure that President Bush’s excuse for starting the Iraq war was based on a big lie. The war brought unimaginable and needless suffering to millions, including four million Iraqi refuges, and the families the thousands of American soldiers killed as well as the many more maimed, wounded or permanently damaged by post-traumatic stress.  It should be self-evident this betrayal could not have occurred without Bush’s approval, although indications are that Cheney was the original instigator. Despite the obvious, some have incredulously argued that more evidence is needed in a trial or hearing. It seems to me that the clincher would be the testimony of Bush’s own press secretary Scott McClellan who has stated publicly that Bush admitted giving his approval.
Obama, who has made many promises to pursue justice and return the rule of law has not merely refused to authorize an investigation but has done his best to impede the Wilsons in their quest for justice. Here again is well-documented except from Wikipedia:
"On July 13, 2006, Joseph and Valerie Wilson filed a civil lawsuit against Rove, Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney, and other unnamed senior White House officials (among whom they later added Richard Armitage[39]) for their alleged role in the public disclosure of Valerie Wilson's classified CIA status.[40] Judge John D. Bates dismissed the Wilson's lawsuit on jurisdictional grounds on July 19, 2007;[41][42][43][44] the Wilsons appealed. On August 12, 2008, in a 2-1 decision, the three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld the dismissal.[45][46] Melanie Sloan, of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which represents the Wilsons, "said the group will request the full D.C. Circuit to review the case and appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court[45][47] Agreeing with the Bush administration, the Obama Justice Department argues the Wilsons have no legitimate grounds to sue. On the current justice department position, Sloan, stated: "We are deeply disappointed that the Obama administration has failed to recognize the grievous harm top Bush White House officials inflicted on Joe and Valerie Wilson. The government’s position cannot be reconciled with President Obama’s oft-stated commitment to once again make government officials accountable for their actions." [48]
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Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

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DID SOMEBODY SAY WAR CRIMES?
I guess we should all be happy that we have an Administration that no longer practices waterboarding and other forms of torture and, like Argentina, should just “move on,” as Obama puts it. After considerable prodding, the Attorney General finally announced in August an investigation at the bottom of torture chain and limited in scope. Unlike the defendants at the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, the CIA torturers will not be prosecuted if they were just following orders.
 “I have made it clear in the past that the Department of Justice will not prosecute anyone who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees. I want to reiterate that point today, and to underscore the fact that this preliminary review will not focus on those individuals.” http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/1727-holder-appoints-torture-prosecutor-rejects-nuremberg-principle
It’s like saying that if your boss tells you to commit the most horrendous crime imaginable and you faithfully follow his instructions, you will be absolved of all responsibility. If Obama doesn’t think the people who actually did the torturing should be prosecuted, what about those at the top who devised the policy, gave the orders or provided the necessary approval –namely Bush and Cheney and some others in their inner circle? Don’t hold your breath. He won’t bother them either. In this instance Obama has made it clear that justice is not the main concern. Otherwise Holder would have appointed a special prosecutor to deal with the top rather than the bottom of the torture chain. But this, of course, would have created a climate of confrontation and controversy that would distract from Obama’s main agenda. http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/396090/obama_on_torture_don_t_stop_thinking_about_tomorrow.
In short, my argument with Emil is not that we both made a mistake in supporting Obama. Despite what I feel are significant flaws, I’m still convinced Obama was by far the most qualified candidate of either party. After all, politics is the land of the ethically blind where the one-eyed man is king. My sense is that Obama, for the most part, wants to take us to the right places. But I have some doubts that a route he is taking will actually get us there. At this point, I would describe him as more of a profile in caution than in courage. In politics, the road to the promised land is never a straight line. But we need sharp critics like Krugman, Rich, Herbert, etc. to keep him from getting lost along the detours. My objection to the message that resonates from Emil's comments is a seeming annoyance with his critics who point to the flaws and failings.
“I say lay off - He has accomplished miracles in 200 days - You are not helping,” you wrote back in August.
My view is that in a democracy, the role of both commentator and good citizen is not to trust the leaders we have chosen but to hold them accountable. As Ronald Reagan might have put it, “If trust you must, then trust but verify.” So my message would not be “lay off” but “bring it on.”

Leonard Levenson of Manhattan, N.Y. said...

I have read the Reiner comments and I agree with him. At first I made excuses for Obama, justifying his policies of compromise and accommodation as "political necessity". It seems clear to me, and has for many months that this policy of accommodation is not working. The Republicans and many Blue dog
Democrats seem interested in merely destroying the Obama Administration no matter what the cost in Justice and well being to the American people. It is long past time to start pushing back. It may be too late to do anything about the Bush era criminal conduct, but not too late to start applying real pressure on the Health care bill, Judicial appointments, and closing Guantanamo---and yes, punishing Joe Lieberman.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

First I want to express my appreciation for all the work and effort Herb put into his analysis.
I have read it carefully, including most of the citations, and have concluded that in some cases he is factually wrong, and in others he is pragmatically or
philosophically wrong.
I headed my commentary, "Obama Walks on Water" facetiously, as a way of saying that his critics mistake a man for a God. Obama is not, I repeat not, Jesus Christ, He does not walk on water, nor is he Moses who could part the sea.
We have a system of government where the President, even if he were omniscient, is not omnipotent. He has far greater negative power in his veto, than positive power to create new rights. That resides with Congress, and in the the Senate the non-constitutional requirement of 60 votes is an almost insurmountable hurdle where the opposition is united and his own party divided. Obama understands this as herb does not. Obama is above all a pragmatist, and would rather accomplish
things than heroically go down in smoke and fire.
He has accomplished more in his first nine month in office than any President, save FDR or Lyndon Johnson and I will list his many accomplishments in my next commentary, which is already written, and is just waiting for the dust to settle from this one before distribution.
Herb ignores his many accomplishments, and focuses on what are essentially three issues that he attacks him for. This reminds me of the the approach of
Republicans which we have so often decried, "My way, or the highway".
Let me list the three and then discuss each in turn.
1.) Don't ask, don't tell
2.) The Public Option
3.) Prosecution of members of the previous Administration.

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Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

Let me take them in order.
1.) Don't ask don't tell
Herb relies entirely here on a quote from Wilkipedia, and while I have consistently defended this source from those who denigrate this as being unreliable, because partisans can and do write many of its entries, this is an example of why its critics have a point. It is not an objective presentation and is written from a particular point of view, not something encyclopedia
should do.
Wilkipedia writes and Herb quotes, "Obama's current position is that Congress has exclusive authority to lift the ban.[citation needed] However, in May 2009, a committee of military law experts at the University of California at Santa Barbara[35] concluded that it is within the authority of the executive branch to discontinue the policy.[36]" I searched the citations for the reasoning of UCSB and found nothing about the purported study. Other then the allegation that such a study was made and arrived at the claimed conclusion, there is no support. I have no way of knowing whether it is factual that the University made
such a study, if it did, that it reached the claimed conclusion, or if it did, what its reasoning was. A very thin reed to lean on.
Under the Constitution, Article II, Section 3 the President is charged with the duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully
executed." That is true whether he likes the law or not. He can not with a stroke of the pen repeal a law passed by Congress and I am glad of that and so should we all be. We are still a country of laws and not of men.
We got into this fix when Clinton, with the best of intentions, decided to abolish by executive order the military's policy of barring gays from the military. He did this without taking into account the views of the military. The result was an outcry and attempt in the Congress to enshrine the policy in statute. Clinton, with his back to the wall sought a compromise. The result,
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Had Clinton not issued his executive order without the military on board, there would have been no
legislation and Obama could act by executive order. With the military on board, it will get through Congress with Republican support and get an overwhelming vote. Without it, it will not get the sixty votes needed. It may not even get a majority.
I have said that Republicans have, "Never forgotten anything, and have never learned anything". Sometimes I think that applies equally to my liberal friends. But it does not apply to Obama. He has the capacity for learning. He needs to get a bill through Congress repealing this policy and it is not likely it will pass against a determined filibuster unless the military brass is on board. so he is working on them and with them. That will get the job done. Maybe not as fast as I and you and we would like, but it will get it done.
Obama could grandstand and go down in flames, as Clinton did. But he would rather succeed than gloriously fail.
Herb, or should I say whoever wrote the Wilkipedia article, also faults Obama for defending the policy in court. It is well
established that the office of the Solicitor General is the attorney representing the Government and that includes laws passed by the Congress which has no attorney of its own. The Administration has a long established duty to defend acts of Congress in court whether it agrees with them or not. This kind of subjective ranting has no place in what purports to be an objective encyclopedia.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

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2.) The Public Option.
Obama wants Health Reform. We want health reform. The country needs health reform. We will not get health reform unless a majority of the House and sixty members of the Senate vote for it. That is a simple fact. And the country is ambivalent about it. As recently as September, Herb pointed out an article in the Washington Post at: http://tinyurl.com/nfhocw which argued that the problems that Health Care reform faces lie in the innate resistance of people to change. That is true more than ever. When Clinton pushed for Health Reform he "brandish(ed) the veto pen (and) threatened to use (it) on an unsatisfactory health reform bill.http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-17249106/clinton-takes-vow-president.html
The result, he got nothing. Nothing will no longer do!
Did Obama have to concede a Public Option. He didn't. He simply made it clear that while he wanted one he wants reform to pass and he will accept any necessary compromise. That is conceding nothing. That is dealing with reality.
Lieberman. He is a renegade, ok. But we need him. He is, or he is not the 60th vote. Shall we kick him out and insure that the 60th vote will not materialize. Great!!! Is it more important to punish Lieberman or to get Health Care Reform passed?
By the time it is passed, if it is passed, there will be many compromises that we wouldn't like. Maybe, restrictions on funding for abortions. I will hold my nose, if that is necessary, to pass a bill, but a flawed bill is better than none.
Then we can immediately begin work to improve it. But we must begin.
The bill passed in the House, (the easy part) by a bare majority. We need sixty votes in the Senate. We not be able to get it but we sure wouldn't if we don't compromise where we must. Not a single defection can be allowed. Not one. And whatever compromise that will get every last Democrat and Independent on board is worth making, unless of course it destroys the value of the bill. So far no Democrat, including Lieberman has asked anything that would make the bill unpalatable.
There will be a time for Lieberman to be brought to heel, but it sure isn't now!!!!!
Herb talks about Mr. Nice guy and Republicans don't appreciate it. It isn't Republicans who are the problem. It is the Democratic caucus.
Except for Snow no other Republican is even in play.
Herb goes on to talk about Johnson. Either he has not been reading what I wrote in the past, or his memory is too short. Here is what I wrote at: http://commentaryonpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-reform-reality.html?showComment=1252184418239#c190763135170932461
"As for the question about Lyndon Johnson getting his Great Society program, including Medicare, through the Congress, Lyndon Johnson's Senate had a Democratic majority of 68 seats in the Senate. That is very different from the 60 and maybe only 58 if you eliminate the seats of Kennedy and Byrd. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1964 Also see: See: http://tinyurl.com/l4re9g and
"In addition the filibuster was not adopted as a standard policy by Republicans until Bob Dole announced it after the election of Clinton."
Herb can be sure that if Obama had 68 Democratic votes he would not have to compromise. Unfortunately, Herb has his head in the clouds, and fortunately Obama has his feet firmly planted on the ground.
Herb Needs to Come down to earth!!! Reality may not always be pleasant but it must be faced up to!!!
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Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

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3.) Prosecution of members of the previous Administration.
Prosecuting members of the previous Administration would indeed be satisfying but it would fundamentally and politically wrong.
I say politically wrong because except for the committed liberal establishment there is no public support for it. So Democrats would suffer for it in the next election.
But more important it would be bad for the country. If every Administration that broke the law were prosecuted we would have been
prosecuting half of all Administrations.
Jefferson ignored a Habeas Corpus order by the Supreme Court to release Aaron Burr.
Adams and his Congress passed the Sedition laws and imprisoned their political opponents.
Jumping forwards Hoover had his troops, under the command of General McArthur, fire on and murder untold numbers of unemployed demonstrators.
Roosevelt imprisoned without due process millions of Americans of Japanese descent.
Roosevelt ordered the firebombing of civilians in Germany and Japan which violated all the laws of war and humanity.
Truman dropped the bomb on civilians also known as noncombatants.
Kennedy ordered the assassination of foreign leaders in league with the Mafia.
I will not mention Nixon because he was pardoned.
Reagan violated the law in the Iran Contra proceedings.
I am sure I have omitted many criminal acts by former Presidents.
The precedent of prosecuting people who were doing their duty under the orders of their higher ups is a dangerous one and in the case of the CIA the repercussions would undermine the morale of the CIA and possibly make them useless in the future.
Yes, I know that in the case of the German war crimes trials we took the position that following orders is no excuse, and in some cases, such as a soldier committing clear and pre-meditated murder on the order of a superior would not absolve him, because it would be obvious that this was an illegal order, but in cases not so clear cut it has to be a defense or our government would have difficulty functioning, as every underling
would start questioning the legality of orders.
Finally, the precedents of prosecuting previous Administrations is a dangerous one which could bring about routine prosecutions with every change of Administration.
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Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

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The Valerie Plame case is a different kettle of fish. That should have been and should be prosecuted even if it leads to the V-P.
Unfortunately, without the testimony of Scooter Libby, who will not talk now that Bush has commuted his sentence, there is no case. Herb says that Scott McClellan stated publicly that Bush admitted giving his approval. Here is the quote from McClellan: "So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby." http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/20/mcclellans-tell-all-implicates-bush-in-plame-scandal/
That is not the same as giving his approval to the outing of Plame. In addition it is hearsay testimony not admissible in a court of law, unless the defendant were to be the former President himself, in which case it might be an admission against interest, but exactly what is to be the charge
against the former President. There is no allegation that he ordered the outing of Plame.
As for the Civil suit there is much more involved than the Plame matter. It is a long established legal precedent that government officials can not be sued civilly for acts done in their official capacity, and the overturning of this precedent would cause havoc in the Administration of government policy. It would allow Right wing groups to harass Obama Administration officials with untold numbers of harassing suits.
I am not sure that I have covered all of Herb's points, but there are so many, it seems like he is talking about Bush.
This kind of nonsense is nothing less than lending aid and comfort to the enemy. In this case the enemy being the Republican party and the Right in general. All this silly carping is doing, and is likely to do is turn the country back to the very people who we despise. It is almost like Nader running because he isn't satisfied with Democrats. If Nader hadn't run, Gore would have been President these past eight years, and what a different country and world we would have.
Talk about divide and conquer. If this doesn't stop, we and the country will reap the whirlwind. We will lose in in 2010 and in 2012
and these great liberals will be just as guilty as Nader was.
The reason Republicans have been in power much longer than Democrats is because they shoot at their enemy who at one time may
have only been their opponent. Democrats seem to stand in a circle and shoot at each other. In unity there is strength.

Bob Aten of Alexandria, Virginia said...

I agree with most of what you write here, a higher proportion than previously.

Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

The attempt to engage in a well-argued, well-researched debate can be a stimulating mental exercise, but after a certain point
becomes tiresome and gets to feel like real work – something I want to avoid at this late stage in my life. So I will try to avoid a
compelling temptation of making a full-fledged rebuttal of your refutation of my critique of your blog and confine my last comments
to a few (hopefully short) points – leaving the final word to any reader who cares to comment or (more likely) you.
1.) You can hear Scott McClellan state that he heard George Bush admit giving approval for the disclosure of Valery Plame’s undercover identity by clicking on the following link and dragging the You Tube video slider slightly beyond ¾ through Part 1 of
Keith Olbermann’s interview. The beginnings of Parts 2 and 3 are also relevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHvixJ9QAjM&feature=related
2. Your knowledge of the law is far superior to mine so I must admit that you could be right and the experts cited by Wilkipedia
wrong when they contend that Obama is legally constrained from dispensing with Don’t Ask Don’t Tell through an executive order –
although I have heard other alleged experts agree with those cited by Wilkipedia. Perhaps one of your readers has enough time and interest to search the Internet for clarification. Assuming you are right, however, it seems noteworthy that Obama who had been President of the Harvard Law Review and a lawmaker himself, never mentioned this as a possible impediment when he promised during the campaign to promptly dispense with Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Nor have I noticed any urgency in pressing Congress to
dispose of this alleged obstacle.
3. We can have arguable differences about the tactics and passion Obama has shown dealing with health care reform, but it is
comforting to know that his campaign advisers shared my dismay to such an extent that they expressed it publicly to the Washington Post. Moreover, your rebuttal failed to mention what to me was the most troubling question about Obama’s behavior concerning health care reform – namely reports that that he has blatantly violated his campaign promise and cut a deal not to allow competitive bidding for drugs covered by Medicare.
4.You cite Article II of the Constitution under which the President is charged with the duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" as a reason why Obama cannot legally dispose of Don’t ask don’t tell. Why then does Article II not oblige him prosecute those responsible for torture? When the United States became signatory to the Geneva Convention, did it not become a part of America law? And does not torture fall under the category of “cruel and unusual punishment” prohibited by the Constitution itself? I agree with you that the unpunished misdeeds of many past Presidents are relevant here – but not, as you imply, an excuse for Obama’s refusal to deal with the horrors committed by the past Administration. The applicable conclusion here is: Had Presidents been held strictly accountable for their actions from the very beginning, their successors would have hesitated before abusing power and many such abuses might have been avoided.
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Herb Reiner of Cedar Grove, NJ said...

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But beyond the legal and moral case for vigorously pursuing justice for perpetrators of torture, is a compelling pragmatic reason:
Obama has been trying to assure the Muslim world that the United States is not an enemy of Islam and that in our country, Islam is treated with the same respect as other religions. So, while the Muslim world as a whole has welcomed his words, many are understandably skeptical as they see Obama refrain from pursuing justice in the most glaring cases of abuse against Muslims. There have been many reports of Muslims motivated to join jihadi causes because they were enraged by the torture of other Muslims. Unfortunately, revenge is a powerful human motivator, and I believe that a genuine pursuit of “justice for all” could go a long way in reinforcing Obama’s fine words and help relieve the rage that still persists and works to our enemies’ advantage in the war on terror.
Finally, the essence of your rebuttal seems to lie in one sentence of your closing comments. “This kind of nonsense is nothing less than lending aid and comfort to the enemy. In this case the enemy being the Republican party and the Right in general. All this silly carping is doing, and is likely to do is turn the country back to the very people who we despise.”
When I first read these words, my jaw dropped and a chill shot down my spine. I am guilty of giving aid and comfort to “the enemy” because of my nonsensical criticism that our great leader is too accommodative toward “the enemy.” Another proof of my guilt is that I have some very good Republican friends for whom I have occasionally done favors – thus giving them aid and, hopefully, some comfort as well.
Seriously though, after a few minutes of reflection, I realized that my good friend Emil is the nicest man I could ever hope to meet and that it would be childish to take anything he says in discussing politics as a personal affront. Politics, after all, is one of his main passions where he
sometimes gets carried away with a bit of hyperbole.
Certainly sharp or even harsh criticism is often called for when it logically flows from carefully chosen and well-supported arguments.
But I would be cautious about the casual use of inflammatory terms like “enemy” and “the people we despise” in referring to Republicans or others with whom we have sharp disagreements. After all, divided we may be, but we are not in a state of civil war. This language would make Obama himself shudder. It transforms us into a mirror image of Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck – little better than third-graders having a food fight. Even George Bush finally understood that the “You are either for us or against us” approach was the wrong one.
Is Ralph Nader’s candidacy the root cause of the reign of George Bush? He is a convenient scapegoat but only one small factor in a very
complicated situation where blame can be rightfully shared by many parties.
I should have by ended my “nonsense” critique but just but just can’t resist one final comment on your last paragraph. “The reason
Republicans have been in power much longer than Democrats is because they shoot at their enemy who at one time may have only been their
opponent. Democrats seem to stand in a circle and shoot at each other. In unity there is strength.”
But haven’t you noticed that it is the Republicans who are now shooting at each other with the really heavy artillery even though they all are against health care and most other reforms. True in unity there is strength as Hitler demonstrated when he unified Nazi Germany by silencing anyone who dared disagree with him. But the strength of democracy lies with an informed and critical public and press – unafraid to hold the
leader accountable. A strong democracy is where loyalty to the principle of equal justice trumps loyalty to any individual leader or party.

Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

I focus particularly on Herb Reiner's "my jaw dropped and a chill shot down my spine. I am guilty of giving aid and comfort to “the enemy”.
You turn this into something that you know was never intended and it is ironic that I want to defeat "the enemy" at the polls, while you want to put them in prison. You are all for prosecutions for torture. Who would you prosecute. The former President. The former VP, the counsel to the President, the head of the CIA, the deputy head of the CIA, the Attorney General? Where do you draw the line? What about members of Congress who gave their
blessings to it?
Herb, think of it, it is essentially the Republican party that was responsible for the policies of the Bush Administration.
I call them the "enemy" because they are the enemy of all the things I, and you believe in. It is in that sense that they are the enemy. But I don't want to declare war on them. I don't want to shoot them. I don't want to to imprison them. I want to defeat them at the polls and over time convince the American public that they are an evil force that represent the very worst instincts and policies in the body politic (a cancer) and should go into oblivion, as the Whig party did.
And then you write, "Another proof of my guilt is that I have some very good Republican friends for whom I have occasionally done favors – thus giving them aid and, hopefully, some comfort as well." How absurd can you get. What has this to do with having Republican friends? How does doing favors to any friends help the Republican party regain power? What we have to do with Republican friends is convert them, or if that is not
possible try to avoid talking politics with them, because usually it gets us nowhere and undermines the friendship. One might even have a relative, a father, a child who is a Republican. We can't reject them for that reason. It may hurt but that the is the way of life.
But I can't help positing a question. What if we were living in Nazi Germany, or Austria and they were Nazis? Do we look the other way. Do we keep them as friends? These are not idle questions- so many had to deal with them. Your wife would know something about this.
Frankly, I am beginning to have a difficult time maintaining friendships with some of my erstwhile friends when I get truly chilling messages from them along the lines, "What do care if a bunch of people who I don't know and have no relationship to me are put into "preventive detention" if it
makes me and my kind safer. Comments like this strain the relationship to say the least. But that has nothing to do with your hyperbolic suggestion that doing favors to Republican friends is "giving aid and comfort to the enemy."
What is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, as you well know, is doing things that improve the chances of an electoral victory to the people who gave us the policies of the last eight years, i.e. The Republican Party. To pretend that the depredation of the past eight years are the work of a small
group at the top is naive. These acts were the outgrowth of a Party (with some exceptions) united behind those policies.
With some "friends" well more like acquaintances, I have in fact broken off after getting Beck like e-mails impugning the patriotism of people who might disagree with them, or spreading hateful attacks against immigrants. But even if I kept them as friends that would not be aiding Republicans in the only way that counts, doing things that would aid them in regaining power. For that would be a tragedy that is going from a possibility to a
probability.
As to specifics. NARAL, NOW, Planned Parenthood, etc. are urging me to lobby against the Stupak amendment. I hate the amendment.
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Emil Scheller of Fort Lee, NJ said...

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But if it goes, we may, and probably would, loose one or two or more votes for the whole bill. So I will not support a position that I strongly favor.
Ditto for the Public option. A number of Democrats not just Lieberman have said they will not vote for the bill with that provision. If we have to give
that up to get the bill passed I will give it up. Is it better to have no bill at all? I don't think so!!!!!
You make it sound like I am the radical, when I am the pragmatist.
But you seem to feel that a defeat of all that we have worked for, for so many years can go down the drain if it does not meet all the specifications and that if we cannot administer justice (many would call it revenge) then we have failed.
No we have a positive agenda! And if we stick to that so much good can be accomplished. We can and will repeal the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" bill. We can and will repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, but not if we demand speed beyond what is practicable and not if we fight among ourselves.
Nothing will happen without sixty votes, without every Democratic vote. That takes compromise. There most certainly is no possibility of compromise
with the "enemy".
You write: "And does not torture fall under the category of “cruel and unusual punishment” prohibited by the Constitution itself?" The Constitution does not create criminal liability for its violation.
Just a few more comments: You say, "Is Ralph Nader’s candidacy the root cause of the reign of George Bush? He is a convenient scapegoat but only one small factor in a very complicated situation where blame can be rightfully shared by many parties." No he is not a scapegoat. If he had not
run all the other things could have happened and Gore would have still won. If the butterfly ballots hadn't happened, if Republicans hadn't staged a riot, etc. etc. Democrats might have still won despite Nader, but that does not distract from the fact that if Nader hadn't run non of those other things would have mattered.
Lastly, the media as is their wont, have made a huge deal about the Republican Congressional defeat in upstate New York. It really is not that significant and follows the policy Republicans have been following since Reagan. It is no different than the purging of Sen. Case or of Sen. Specter or untold others. The Republican party stands united as can be seen from their unanimity in the Congress and the support by so called moderates, such as Christy Whitman and former Governor Kean for the Right wing candidate and now governor of NJ, Chris Christie.
As for the Plame matter we had a conscientious special counsel investigate the case. He could not get creditable evidence with which to prosecute. Scooter Libby was the crucial link and he wouldn't talk, and with Bush's commutation he had no incentive to talk. The counsel concluded he could not make a case against anyone. He didn't have the evidence. You are outraged. So am I. But we are still a country of laws and evidence and sometimes cover-ups succeed. Sad but true.